hmm... can explain abit more about abstinence? haha.
Kinda understand what you mean but not totally..
like for example abstaining from what can help so?
By LoVe*m|cHeLLe*AnGeL, at January 31, 2009 at 1:27 AM
>>and i live just for you my lord.
>>and i live just for you my lord.
Min Zhen looks so sad.... Like kena abandoned....
I like the top pic. So nice.
By Ian, at January 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM
I looked really zonked out though. haha!
By LoVe*m|cHeLLe*AnGeL, at January 28, 2009 at 2:18 AM
>>and i live just for you my lord.
Like you said, good people doing bad things become evil people... so in the first place, the definition of good people and evil people are already two separate extremes in the statement, assuming no in-betweens..
However, we all know that all of us sinned, no matter how 'good' we may be.
In another way, though, I see the last part of the quote as recognising that we're 'evil', all the more as we learn about God, and God's standard. of holiness etc. Or rather, its just a reminder for myself. haha.
By LoVe*m|cHeLLe*AnGeL, at January 28, 2009 at 2:27 AM
Well I don't think we should jump to conclusions on this matter so fast. Weinberg is an atheist, yes, but he is not stupid. He won the Nobel Prize in Physics btw. Apparently, he shouldn't be that dumb to make such a controversial statement without thinking twice. If we study what he says carefully, there appears to be some truth in that statement. Just look at what's happening in Gaza right now. A very interesting question would be, if Isreal and Palestine had the same faith, would the slaughter still occur?
By January 31, 2009 at 8:59 AM
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Ha, usually I dun like to comment on "matters of intellect" which throws up plenty of questions but may not actually conclude anything.
As I attempt to understand Weinberg's statement, "But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion", I find myself interpreting it in various ways as well.
1. Religion provides an "excuse", an "avenue" for "good" people to do bad things (terrorism etc),and these people do it with strong, genuine belief that what they are doing are actually good, in accordance with what's taught in their religion.
2. Religion causes "good" people to do evil things, through what is being taught in the religion.
3. Religion causes "good" people to do evil things, not because its what religion teaches, but the existence of religion, their "laws" etc brings out the side of people that wants to go against what's taught.
So which one is it? Haha. The first one makes sense when we consider what the world regards as "extremist groups" feel when they actually do bad things. In this case yes, the statement seem right but it does feel like a swipe at religion without bringing in the part about people being misled. The second is prob not what he's referring to, like what Ian said, religions mostly preach loving others. The third is the one I'm most interested in, because good people doing bad things as a result of the existence of religion or religious laws does sound a lot like how the Law caused "death" mentioned in the bible, in Romans 7:7-11 (NIV). I'm not sure how clear the link is, but try reading Romans 7:8-25 (Message Version) and that might help us understand how religion and law "causes" us to sin. I use certain terms loosely, pardon me. But anyway in the last case, I do agree that "religion" can cause "good" people to do evil things.
End of the day, my point is that simply following religious laws and practices do not get us anywhere; salvation is not through works, and neither are we able to be "good" people who stay away from "evil" things just by practising religion. Walking with God, experiencing His grace and love, relating to Him, partnering with Him... allows ourselves to be influenced by Him, desire more and more of the good things and less and less of the evil things.
By SL, at February 1, 2009 at 1:59 AM
>>and i live just for you my lord.
>>and i live just for you my lord.
>>and i live just for you my lord.
>>and i live just for you my lord.